James’ Actions following

Graham’s Response to Robert's Comments on
Graham Lovelock's Comments on
Lieflock Line.
Last updated 19-Mar-2003
 

a) GRAHAM: Sarah DUDMAN was christened on 18 Sep 1785 at Great Bedwyn (GB).
ROBERT: I have the source as Ken Gigg. Needs rechecking against original PRs for Great Bedwyn unless Ken can confirm that that is the source.
JAMES: The data I got from Ken Gigg specifies that this record is from “Bishops Transcripts – Salisbury Diocesan Registry” so I’ve entered this in my database, with a note concerning Gwen’s information.

 

b) GRAHAM: I have Richard LOVELOCK (L) son of Sarah above christened 30 Apr 1809 not 1808.
ROBERT: This variation is already noted in Lovelocks_in_Wiltshire. Needs rechecking against original Burbage PRs.
JAMES: Robert’s latest “Lovelocks in Wiltshire by Parish” file has the date as 30 Apr 1809, so I’ve entered this. Its interesting to note that Ken Gigg didn’t have records of the first 3 children of Thomas and Sarah. Maybe a hole in the BT?

 

c) GRAHAM: Same Richard died in Mar ¼ of 1889 (aged 79), but I know not where.
ROBERT: This is presumably from the GRO Index. The Index will give the Registration District. Needs checking against GRO Index to confirm RD and age at death.

GRAHAM’s response: The RD is Hungerford. I, like Malcolm, have a record of the burial of Richard on 6 Feb 1888, aged 79 at GB. My culling of data from the GRO Index dates back 10 or 11 years, so I guess my transcription error, of putting 1889, has been lurking there all that time.  Apologies for misleading everyone.
JAMES: I’ve entered the burial 6 Feb 1888 Gt. Bedwyn, source Gt. Bedwyn PR.

 

d) GRAHAM:Charles L the son of Richard above married Mary Jane RUSS at East Grafton (EG) on 19 Jul 1877.
ROBERT: Agreed. The marriage detail (from Graham) is entered in

Lovelocks_in_Wiltshire. Age and father match.
GRAHAM: I have no record of a marriage of a Charles at GB in 1872. HOWEVER, Charles was 43 in 1877, whilst his bride was only 26, so he could have been a widower - my notes from the EG Register do not record that he was. Also, a Charles was married somewhere in the Hungerford Registration District in the Jun ¼ of 1872.
ROBERT: My understanding is that 'widower' is not always entered in the marriage record even if he was, which certainly seems likely. However, we have no earlier marriage of a Charles L. in Wiltshire that fits at his time. Nor can I find any Hungerford RD marriage of a Charles L. in 1872 in our combined data for Wiltshire so presumably he was married in a parish of that RD not yet researched. I assume that Graham has extracted some GRO Lovelocks. I actually also have quite a few via Gwen. It would be useful to combine our GRO extractions. Yes?

GRAHAM’s response: No more enlightenment to offer, but will forward you my GRO data (in case it proves of any use) in due course, Robert, unless someone else is able to volunteer to do the collation?
JAMES: The marriage of Charles L son of Richard to Mary Jane RUSS is confirmed by the PR entry (which maybe we didn’t have at the time of the above discussion):
1877 Jul 19 Charles Lovelock (43) and Mary Jane Russ (26) Fathers Richard Lovelock and Henry Russ ( Also in LDS Vital Records British Isles 2nd ed. Film 1279359 Dates: 1844 - 1906) 

I have entered this marriage. The outstanding question is whether Charles had previously married a Sarah Ann Unknown (see below).

 

e) GRAHAM: I believe the Charles L/Sarah Ann marriage you have captured is that of Charles the son of James L and Honor Gigg. I do not know when or where they were married, but that Charles would have been 23 or 24 in 1872, and the couple's first child Walter John Edward L was christened on 15 Jun 1873 in GB.
ROBERT: I'm a bit confused on this one. What does 'captured' mean? There are certainly two children born to a Charles & Sarah Ann L in 1873 & 1875 in Great Bedwyn. But it's debatable who this Charles is. Presuming he was at least 18 when he married in 1872, he must have been born before 1854. That could be Charles bn abt 1852 s. John and Jane Chouls; Charles bn abt 1851 son of Daniel L & Ann Chouls; Charles bn 1848 son of James L & Honor Gigg; or Charles bn abt 1846 son of William L & Lucy Hillman. We really need the marriage to work that out. I think we need to apply for the full marriage certificate for the Charles Lovelock who married in June Q 1872 in Hungerford RD. Do we have the GRO reference number?

GRAHAM’s response: All I mean by “captured” in this instance is “recorded”. Colloquialisms confuse, as ever. No GRO Reference Number I’m afraid – when I gathered my GRO data I was doing it more from a statistical and demographic position of interest, as I had traced all the Lovelocks I thought I was interested in (this was before I found any other Lovelock researchers sharing a common line).  Further to the Charles who’s the subject of this piece: from the 1881 Census he was resident (spelling his surname with the final “e”) in Farm Lane, GB with Sarah A and Walter J E, ages 32, 28,7; also in Farm Lane were James and Honor Lovelocke; according to my notes no birthplaces were quoted; in the 1891 Census Charles, Sarah, and Edward (sic) were at 91 Brown’s Lane, ages 41, 39, 17; also with them were sons Henry 8, Albert 5 and Ernest 2; all born in GB apart from Sarah from Lamborne. Not easy to dig all the bones out of that, but you can see the conclusion I came to. Is Sarah being of Lamborne a clue to the marriage location? Not according to the Lovelocks_in_Berkshire data that you have assembled. And in case you have dived to the GB records, you will have found there are no baptism records for Henry, Albert and Ernest. However, from my GRO data I can confirm the following Births in the Hungerford RD: Charles Henry - 4th ¼ 1882, Frederick Albert - 4th ¼ 1885, Ernest William - 3rd ¼ 1888. Now, if Charles was the son of James  as I suggest, you might be interested to note that in the 1881 Census James was recorded as a Wesleyan Preacher. Perhaps, then, the three younger sons of Charles were baptised in a Methodist church?  Do we have any easy access to Non-Conformist records to close that one out?
JAMES: No conclusive evidence here, but using Occam’s razor I decided to distribute one wife per Charles Lovelock before sharing out second wives. So I’ve removed Sarah Ann, together with the corresponding children, as wife of Charles L son of Richard L and recorded her and the children as wife and children of Charles L son of James L and Honor Gigg. As Robert pointed out, there are in fact a number of possible candidates for this Charles L, so I’ve added a marriage note to this effect, with the list of other candidates.

 

f) GRAHAM: Re Thomas L c: 7 Aug 1836: he married Harriet CHOULES on 2 Aug 1862 at EG, and was buried on 1 Sep 1869 at Wilton. They had three children: Ellen c: 30 Nov 1862, Charles c: 30 Apr 1865, and James c: 12 Jul 1867, all at Wilton.
ROBERT: Agreed re marriage of Thomas L. and Harriet Choules. Age is close enough – he may have lied anyway – and father is correct. However, I don’t have the records for the baptisms of the children or the burial in Wilton in the combined Lovelocks_in_Wiltshire data. Can we confirm the source for these please? Are there other Lovelock events in Wilton?

GRAHAM’s response: Ooops!! I’ve been hasty with my typing and not proof read sufficiently. Thomas was buried at East Grafton, but was stated to be “of Wilton”. Ellen’s Baptism was also at EG, her parents being described as “of Wilton”. Trying to determine my source for the Baptisms of the other two children (declared in the 1871 Census, when the family was resident in GB, as having been born in Wilton). I assume everyone realises this is the hamlet of Wilton a little north-east of East Grafton, and not Wilton the former capital of Wessex just west of Salisbury?
JAMES: I already had the marriage of Thomas L to Harriet Choules in my database, but he wasn’t identified as the son of Richard L. and Milicent Fribbence. I’ve now made this connection. I also had the three children of Thomas and Harriet, together with Louisa Choules bap
26 OCT 1856   East Grafton, in anticipation of their marriage (father is identified as Charles L.). Source is IGI.  For the other 3 children, all appear in the IGI, but only Ellen is in the PR extracts for E. Grafton in the “Lovelocks in Wiltshire” file.

 

g) GRAHAM:Mary L c: 7 Jul 1839 married Oldin MITCHELL on 20 Oct 1883 at GB.
ROBERT: I'm not sure about this one. The age is well out. She should have been 45 in 1883 not 38. She could have lied I suppose. Father is correct. Note that this entry also appears in the LDS Vital Records-British Isles Marriages for Great Bedwyn 1754-1895 (see Lovelocks_in_Wiltshire data) as Aldin not Oldin Mitchell. Witnesses were Charles and Mary Lovelock which is odd. Charles could certainly be her brother but who is Mary L?

GRAHAM’s response: I assumed she lied. I also assumed Charles to be her elder brother, and therefore the man at my comment d) above who married Mary Jane RUSS, hence the other witness was, I assumed, Mary’s sister-in-law Mary.
JAMES: I’ve entered this, with a caveat that the identification is uncertain in view of the discrepancy between Mary’s date of birth and her alleged age at marriage.

 

h) GRAHAM: Daniel L b: Abt 1845 married a Jane Smith. They had two children: Frederick J b: Abt 1877, and Alice S b: Abt 1880. Alas, at the moment I can not trace the provenance of these facts so you may wish to ignore them.
ROBERT: I will look forward to Graham finding the source. But sounds like it might be from a census. How much census stuff do we all have between us? Can we collate sometime do you think? I believe we have the complete 1851 census for Wiltshire.

GRAHAM’s response: A little further forward – Daniel was baptised at East Grafton on 14 Jul 1844. He is recorded as “the son of Richard and Amelia”. Dear Amelia, or Millicent, or Matilda, or Milicent, as she was variously recorded. I have a note that Frederick and Alice were born in Marlborough, but there is nothing late enough in the Lovelocks_in_Wiltshire file. Still searching …
JAMES: Entered. On 11 Feb 2003 Graham provided 1881 and 1901 census records for Daniel and Jane and their children. However the maiden name of Jane is TBC - added note to this effect.

 

i) GRAHAM:I have so much information on Richard L and Jane Wyle and their descendants that I have attached a separate File("Rich&Jane").
ROBERT: This is a wonderful addition to what we have. But I'm not clear on how this Richard fits into the Lieflock line. The baptism entry that Graham supplied was:
1847 Jul 16 Richard son of Richard and Amelia Lovelock in East Grafton
Who is the Richard L. who married Amelia?

GRAHAM’s response: See my response above. Amelia is Millicent Fribbence, and therefore the Richard you ask about is the son of Thomas L and Sarah (nee DUDMAN).  I will admit it’s a little easier to appreciate if you have the various Census Returns and a map to hand. I can place Richard and Millicent for you in every Census from 1841 to 1881, and her in 1891 (Richard having died by then).

JAMES: Entered the information in the "Rich&Jane" file. Attributed PR sources where I could find them, otherwise source attribution is Graham Lovelock.

 

j) GRAHAM: Richard L and Millicent FRIBBENCE had one more child: Hannah b: Jul 1852 at EG, m: Charles CHAMPION 5 Sep 1874 at EG.
ROBERT: I have the entry:
1852 Jul 30 Hannah daughter of Richard and Amelia Lovelock in East
Grafton (also supplied by Graham).
Are Amelia and Millicent the same person? Did Richard remarry perhaps?

GRAHAM’s response: I think you can guess the answer to this one!
JAMES: Entered Hannah as dau. of Richard and Millicent. Also entered her marriage to Charles Champion.

 

k) GRAHAM: William L c: 6 Jan 1811 was bur: 17 Sep 1892 at EG.
ROBERT: Agreed. He was aged 83 so born abt 1809. The date of baptism is 1811 but he could have easily been born 1809/10. 

JAMES: Entered bur of William L. Source E.Grafton PR

 

l) GRAHAM: Mary Ann the daughter of William above m: Stephen MARSHALL 28 Oct 1852 at EG.
ROBERT: Agreed. Age and Father match.

JAMES: Entered mar of Mary Ann to Stephen Marshall. Source E.Grafton PR

 

m) GRAHAM:I have so much information on George the brother of Mary Ann above that I have attached another separate File ("Geo&Sarah").
ROBERT: Wonderful additional material. As I have no way of knowing all the sources for the info, I have entered with Graham as the source. Any queries can then go to him! The only variation I have is George L. bp 27 Dec 1835 at Great Bedwyn not Grafton. This is what we have in the Lovelocks_in_Wiltshire data.

GRAHAM’s response: Another apology – George was born at Grafton, according to his 1891 Census declaration, but I agree he was baptised at GB. This is consistent with two other GB baptisms of William and Lucy’s children in 1834 and 1841 when the parents were described as “of East Grafton”, although the absence of the words in the 1835 and 1838 entries could certainly indicate that they moved.

JAMES: Entered the information in the "Geo&Sarah" file, except for descendents of non-Lovelocks. Attributed PR sources where I could find them, otherwise source attribution is Graham Lovelock.

 

n) GRAHAM:John the brother of George above died in the Jun ¼ of 1928.
ROBERT: I assume this is from the GRO Index. Do we know what registration district?

GRAHAM’s response: Hungerford RD.
JAMES: Entered with note that source is GRO, Hungerford RD

 

o) GRAHAM: Hannah Maria the sister of John above was actually born at EG not GB.
ROBERT: I have altered this. But I'm curious how we know that. From a census perhaps?

GRAHAM’s response: Partly – I based it on the GB Register entry declaring William and Lucy to be “of East Grafton”, but it is confirmed by the 1861 Census Return.
JAMES: Entered with source attribution as specified by Graham

 

p) GRAHAM:Frederick the brother of Hannah Maria above died in the Jun ¼ of 1843.
ROBERT: I assume this is from the GRO Index. Do we know what registration district?

GRAHAM’s response: Hungerford RD, yet again.

JAMES: Entered with note that source is GRO, Hungerford RD

 

q) GRAHAM: Elijah the brother of Frederick above has been omitted. This is the one you've recently been corresponding with Janet and Jeremy over, so I am presuming that I do not need to re-supply the data.
ROBERT: Already altered.
JAMES: Entered Elijah and descendents (except a few 5th generation non-Lovelocks!) Source attribution is Janet & Jeremy Lovelock except for records included in Lovelocks in Wiltshire file. 
n cases where Janet & Jeremy entered data such as b. Abt Jun 2, 1889 I've assumed this is the baptism date.

Note that the birth/baptism of Elijah (born 22 December 1851 at East Grafton according to Jeremy Lovelock, who has the birth cert.) is not included in the Lovelocks in Wiltshire file - it seems that he was not baptised at E. Grafton.

 

r) GRAHAM: William L the son of John L and Jane CHOULS was c: 8 Feb 1846 at EG.
ROBERT: Agreed. Amended.

JAMES: Corrected.

 

s) GRAHAM: Elijah the brother of William above was c: 26 May 1848 at EG. Although his birthplace varies in the Census Returns the EG Baptism Register is quite definite that his parents were "of East Grafton".
ROBERT: Agreed. Janet and Jeremy had him baptized in Wilton. Have amended. Birthplace is less clear. The 1851 census says Great Bedwyn. This might be an error unless he was for some reason born in Great Bedwyn. It's of course possible he was born a year or so before he was baptized when his parents were then living at Great Bedwyn – or maybe they were just visiting. Have noted.

JAMES: Added baptism EG and notes concerning uncertainty of birthplace.

Also entered the wife of Elijah as Matilda Liddiard, as proposed, with supporting evidence, in email from Graham Lovelock 18 Feb 2003.

 

t) GRAHAM: George the brother of Elijah above was c: 8 Sep 1850 at EG (born at Wilton).
ROBERT: Agreed. The 1851 census says he was born in Great Bedwyn but baptism entry says parents were of Wilton. Have noted.

JAMES: Entered baptism, and changed birthplace to Wilton.

 

u) GRAHAM: John L and Jane CHOULS had two more children: Charles c: 29 Oct 1852 at EG (born at Wilton), and Emily c: 24 Mar 1857 at EG (born at Wilton).
ROBERT: Agreed.

JAMES: Entered these two additional children with baptisms at EG. Also entered family of son Charles b. 1852 provided by Graham from 1901 census.

 

v) GRAHAM: Eliza FISHER's mother's christian name was Ann.
ROBERT: Do we have a source for this please?

GRAHAM’s response:  Yes – the 1841 Census Return for West Grafton which records Stephen and Ann Fisher, together with George and Eliza Lovelock, son-in-law and daughter, and grandson George Lovelock.
JAMES: Entered

 

w) GRAHAM:Elizabeth daughter of Eliza above was bur: 15 Mar 1840 at GB.
ROBERT: Agreed. I have two dates for this burial. Mar 15 and Mar 17, 1840. The data is from Malcolm L. Can we confirm which is correct?
JAMES: Entered Abt 15 Mar 1840

 

x) GRAHAM:George the brother of Elizabeth above was married in the Dec ¼ of 1858, and had two children: Sarah Ann b: Abt 1865 and William b: Abt 1869, both at West Grafton (WG).
ROBERT: Married to whom? I only have baptisms in West Grafton to 1841 (from Ken Gigg) in Lovelocks_in_Wiltshire. Can we please have additional ones extracted from West Grafton please and years searched?
JAMES: No action. Waiting for information on husband

 

y) GRAHAM: George L and Eliza FISHER had a second Elizabeth b: Abt 1849 at GB.
ROBERT: Do we have a source for this please? Not baptized at Great Bedwyn.

GRAHAM’s response: She was recorded as being 2 years old in the 1851 Census Return for West Grafton, and the GRO Index yields a birth being registered in Hungerford RD in the 1st ¼ of 1849. GB was quoted as the place of birth for the whole family.

JAMES: Entered, together with Graham's note.

 

z) GRAHAM: George L and Eliza FISHER had an additional seven children: Jane b: Abt 1853 at WG, Susannah b: Abt 1855 at WG, Thomas b: Abt 1859 at WG, Daniel b: Abt 1864 at GB, Fanny b: Abt 1865 at GB m: John James FISHER 3 Nov 1885 at EG, Charles b: Abt 1868 at GB, and Elijah b: Abt 1871 at WG.
ROBERT: That's excellent. But no baptisms? I assume all this is therefore from a census? But which census? I actually found the baptism of Fanny in East Grafton:
1868 Feb 12 Fanny Daughter of George and Eliza Lovelock of West Grafton
I also found the family in the 1881 census for Wiltshire:
Dwelling: Old Farm House Cottage
Census Place:Great Bedwin, Wiltshire, England
Source:FHL Film 1341310 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 1274 Folio 56 Page 3
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
George LOVELOCK M 64 M Gt Bedwyn Rel:Head Occ:Agricul Lab
Eliza LOVELOCK M 51 F Gt Bedwyn Rel:Wife Occ:Wife Of Agr Lab
Daniel LOVELOCK U 17 M Gt Bedwyn Rel:Son Occ:Railway Labourer
Fanny LOVELOCK U 15 F Gt Bedwyn Rel:Daur Occ:Domes Serv Out Of Employmt
Charles LOVELOCK 12 M Gt Bedwyn Rel:Son Occ:AgrLabPloughboy
Elijah LOVELOCK 10 M Gt Bedwyn Rel:Son Occ:Scholar
Henry J. BREWER 8 M Gt Bedwyn Rel:Boarder Occ:Scholar

Something wrong here. Eliza, George's wife, was born abt 1830. She could not have married George in 1838!! Did George marry twice??? Both times to an Eliza? I believe so. I went looking for the burial of his first wife and sure enough:
1844 Jul 13 Eliza Lovelock of West Grafton aged 26 years Buried in East Grafton.
George's second wife, Eliza, was born abt 1830 and presumably married George abt 1845. All children after then belonged to his second wife also Eliza. We haven't yet located his second marriage.

That still leaves us looking for the source of Jane L. bn abt 1853, Susannah L. bn abt 1855 and Thomas bn abt 1859. They presumably had left home by 1881. In the 1861 or '71 census perhaps?

 

GRAHAM’s response: You will scarcely believe this first piece: George’s second wife was also named Eliza Fisher !!! He married her at East Grafton on 5 Sep 1846; she was 18. She was the daughter of a James Fisher, whereas his first wife was the daughter of Stephen as shewn above. The source of the other three children is the 1861 Census Return for West Grafton, and this time the birth place for the whole family (these three plus the second Elizabeth, their sister Ann and their parents) was given as West Grafton. Ages quoted for the three were 7, 5 and 2. The GRO Index yields corresponding birth entries for Hungerford in the 2nd ¼ of 1853, the 4th ¼ of 1855 and the 2nd ¼ of 1859.

 

JAMES: The two wives of Geroge L, both called ELiza Fisher, have now been entered, together with the children as described above.

 

aa) GRAHAM:Ann CHOULS' mother's maiden name was Maria SMITH.
ROBERT: And presumably married twice. Do we have a source for this please?

GRAHAM’s response: I do not understand the “And presumably married twice”. The source is the Froxfield Marriage Register which gives 26 Jan 1822 Charles Choules married Maria Smith.

JAMES: Entered the name of Ann Chouls' mother Maria Smith and the details of her marriage to Charles Chouls.

 

bb) GRAHAM: Sarah daughter of Ann CHOULS above m: John SHEPPARD 21 Jul 1860 at EG.
ROBERT: Agreed.

JAMES: Entered with EG PR as source

 

cc) GRAHAM: Thomas brother of Sarah above m: Sarah Ann MILDENHALL 13 Nov 1869 at Shalbourne, d: 15 Feb 1933 at Northop, Flint. This is Malcolm LOVELOCK's line, so again I presume you already have all the data from Malcolm.
ROBERT: Agreed and yes.

JAMES: Entered with source Shalbourne PR via Malcolm L. I already had this marriage in my database from the IGI, but it wasn't linked to Thomas son of Daniel L. I had a note that Gwen Eastment also had Thomas marrying Sarah Ann MILDENHALL

 

dd) GRAHAM: Elizabeth sister of Thomas above was born at Crofton and died at Little Bedwin. She did not marry Edwin Waters (this is the Ken Gigg saga), but m: Henry HILLIER 1 Feb 1868 at EG.
ROBERT: Since Ken has still not supplied his source for his theory and Graham clearly has the source data, I'll go with Graham on this one. Age at marriage and father all match. But what is source please of Elizabeth being born at Crofton?

GRAHAM’s response: The EG Baptism Register records her parents as being “of Crofton”, and indeed they were recorded there in the 1841, 1851, 1861, and 1871 Census Returns.

JAMES: Replaced Edwin Waters by Henry Hillier as husband of Elizabeth L, source East Grafton PR. I had this marriage in my database but not linked to this Elizabeth L. I also has a note that Gwen Eastment had Elizabeth L married to Henry Hillier.
I also have eight children of Henry Hillier and Elizabeth L (source - LDS Film # 1903973)

 

ee) GRAHAM: Mary sister of Elizabeth above m: Albert HOLMES 8 Nov 1881 at EG.
ROBERT: Agreed. Age and father match.

JAMES: Entered, with source East Grafton PR

 

ff) GRAHAM: Charlotte L c: 12 Jan 1823 m: George CHAMPION 12 Aug 1860 at EG
ROBERT: Agreed.
GRAHAM: bur 22 Aug 1886 at EG.
ROBERT: I can't locate this burial in East Grafton.
GRAHAM: She had an illegitimate daughter Mary L c:30 Sep 1855 at EG
ROBERT: Agreed
GRAHAM: who herself had an illegitimate son Charles Frederick b:Abt 1878 at WG.
ROBERT: I don't have any West Grafton baptisms after 1841. 

JAMES: Entered marriage details with source EG PR 
I previously had Charlotte married to Unknown Champion (no source cited) with a daughter Louisa Champion who married William Fisher, son of James Fisher. I don't know where I got this from, no source mentioned :-( 
Entered the burial of Charlotte 22 Aug 1886 EG

Entered Mary Lovelock dau. of Charlotte bap. 30 Sep 1855.

 

gg) GRAHAM: Thomas the brother of Charlotte above bur: 30 Mar 1849 at EG
ROBERT: Agreed

JAMES: Entered, source EG PR

 

hh) GRAHAM:I note the John L c: 17 Sep 1826 but also note that the Baptism Register records him as the "son of Phoebe Lovelock of Camberwell".
ROBERT: I actually couldn't make out the place name when I was going through the PRs. I thought it said "Cambr-sle" The only Camberwell I know is in Kent. Does seem a bit odd.

GRAHAM’s response: There is a Camberwell district in London.

JAMES: Following email discussion with Graham, it seems that the attribution of John L bap 17 Sep 1826 to this Phoebe L (dau of William L and Elizabeth Newman) is incorrect, and he should be recorded as the son of Phoebe L bap 25 Aug 1799, Easton Royal, dau of William L and Susanna Giddings - see (rr) below. For this Phoebe L there is a marriage record to Thomas Wall 2 Dec 1813, Burbage.

 

ii) GRAHAM: Richard L m: Elizabeth CARTER 18 Apr 1825 at Lambourne, Berks not Burbage.
ROBERT: Agreed.
GRAHAM: We can trace this line forward to at least 1995, and I have attached yet another File with the data ("Rich&Eliz").
ROBERT: Thanks Graham. You must have already sent me all that line.

JAMES: Entered data from "Rich&Eliz" file. Attributed source as Graham, except in cases where I found records in the existing PR collections.

Also entered a modification provided by Graham in email 18 Feb 2003 concerning the wife of Elijah L (b. 8 Nov 1846, son of Richard L and ELizabeth Carter) supported by PRO and census records - these suggest that Elijah married Mary Wooldridge and the couple had 5 children as of the 181 census.

 

jj) GRAHAM: David L c: 13 Sep 1807 d: 4 Mar 1849 at Marlborough Bridewell.
ROBERT: Never heard of "Marlborough Bridewell"? Source please.
GRAHAM: He m: Martha YEATES 2 Sep 1839 at Pewsey.
ROBERT: Can't locate this marriage in Lovelocks_in_Berkshire.

GRAHAM’s response: “Marlborough Bridewell” was Marlborough Gaol. I have seen a copy of the Death Certificate acquired by Ken Gigg. Pewsey is in Wiltshire, not Berkshire !! Bit of a problem here: I can not explain why I have the Marriage in Pewsey, whilst Ken has it in Easton Royal (ER). Certainly the GRO Marriage Index has the Marriage of a David in the Pewsey RD in the 3rd ¼ of 1839, whilst there are no Marriages of Lovelocks at all in 1839 in the Hungerford RD, which covers ER.

JAMES: Entered marriage at Pewsey as specified by Graham, but included the caveat about the marriage location as a marriage note.

 

kk) GRAHAM: Elizabeth daughter of David above c: 22 Sep 1846 at Pewsey, m: Edwin WATERS 11 Dec 1876 at Savernake, and d: 10 Jan 1915.
ROBERT: I don't have any Savernake events at all! Did Elizabeth die in Savernake?

GRAHAM’s response:  No, according to Ken she died in Chisbury, which is in Wiltshire. I’m afraid there are also some typographical errors here – I must have been flagging: she was born on 21 Sep 1846, in Pewsey, bp at Savernake on 19 Oct 1846 and died 22 Dec 1915. This should all be confirmed by Ken if he is consulted.

JAMES: Entered details for Elizabeth L and her marriage to Edwin Waters, with later corrections and clarifications from Graham Lovelock. I did find Edwin and Elizabeth Waters in the 1881 census, together with 2 children (William age 3 and John 10 months).  Also found them in the 1901 census in Little Bedwyn, together with Martha, and also at least one other Waters family apparently in the same household.

Also entered the continuation of this line down to Ken Gigg, with source attribution Ken Gigg.

 

ll) GRAHAM: Anne Maria L c: 8 Jul 1810 had a second sp: James BURROWS, m: 19 Feb 1868 at Burbage.
ROBERT: This is one of the Burbage events which Malcolm L. had but which I didn't. I'm not sure of the source of Malcolm's events. Mine were extracted from LDS Film 1279365. We need to compare sources and possibly recheck the source material.

JAMES: Entered, since this marriage is in the latest version of the "Lovelocks in Wiltshire" file, with the bride appearing as Anne Maria Bridgman, widow, father William Lovelock. (Oddly enough, there is another marriage of a James Burrows and Anne Maria Lovelock 13 Oct 1879, but this concerns the dau of Daniel L and Ann Chouls, bap. 23 May 1858 East Grafton)

 

mm) GRAHAM: Richard L c; 26 Sep 1733, bur: 7 May 1793 at Easton Royal (ER).
ROBERT: Seems reasonable on limited evidence. Again an area in variance between myself and Malcolm in searching registers. Source material really needs re-checking.

JAMES: Entered, source Easton Royal PR, with a note that the identification is uncertain.

 

nn) GRAHAM: I know of the marriage of John Eliat/Eliot on 15 Mar 1799 to Sarah L, but of no proof that she was the daughter of Richard L and Mary CHIVERS. I have not tested for any children: since she would have been 40 going on 41 at the time of the marriage children would have been unlikely, although of course not impossible.
ROBERT: Agreed. Have not entered the marriage at this stage.

JAMES: I have removed this marriage, and added a note that Sarah may have married John Eliat 15 Mar 1799.

 

oo) GRAHAM: I have Leaver (Leaber?) L c: 30 Sep 1768, not Dec.
ROBERT: Malcolm L, myself and the LDS Vital Records CDs all have December!

GRAHAM’s response: My mistake.

JAMES: Left unchanged - bap. 30 Dec 1768

 

pp) GRAHAM: John L c: 25 Dec 1739 was bur: 29 Dec 1779 at ER.
ROBERT: Seems reasonable on limited evidence. Again an area of variance in source material between Malcolm and myself that really should be rechecked.

JAMES: Entered the burial, source Easton Royal PR

 

qq) GRAHAM: Henry L c: 6 Sep 1741 was bur: 20 Oct 1741 at ER.
ROBERT: Neither myself nor Malcolm L found this burial in the PRs. Do we have a source for this please?

GRAHAM’s response: If the two of you can not find it, it must be the result of me misreading the film at Trowbridge.

JAMES: Not entered in view of Robert's comment and Graham's response.

 

rr) GRAHAM: I note that you have John L c: 17 Sep 1826 the son of Phebe the daughter of William L and Susannah GIDDINGS, a repetition of the entry I referred to at hh. above. I am inclined to think this second entry is the correct one.
ROBERT: I only have one John bp 1826 s. of Phebe d. of William L. & Susannah Giddings. Where is the repetition?

GRAHAM’s response: The entry referred to at hh. above has the same John (ie c: 17 Sep 1826) as the son of Phoebe L the  daughter of William L and Elizabeth NEWMAN.

JAMES: Graham was quite right that the same John L bap 17 Sep 1826 had been assigned to two different Phoebes. Following email discussion with Graham, it seems that he should be recorded as the son of this Phoebe L bap 25 Aug 1799, Easton Royal, dau of William L and Susanna Giddings Added source reference to Easton Royal PR, together with citation "son of Phoebe Lovelock, abode: Camberwell".

 

ss) GRAHAM: William L and Susannah GIDDINGS had son Thomas b: Abt 1809 at ER, who had sp: Ann UNKNOWN.
ROBERT: Do we have a source for this please?

GRAHAM’s response: Trying to track this down.

JAMES: Entered, with source reference 1851 census details provided by Graham in email dated 11 Feb 2003

 

tt) GRAHAM: Mary sister of Thomas above was actually Mary Ann and m: Edward H STOCKMAN.
ROBERT: Do we have a source for this please?

GRAHAM’s response: Ditto.

JAMES: Not entered since we have no record of this marriage

 

uu) GRAHAM: William L and Susannah GIDDINGS had son William b: Abt 1828.
ROBERT: Do we have a source for this please?

GRAHAM’s response: Ditto.

JAMES: Entered - Graham provided an extract from the 1841 census which includes William age 13, together with parents William and Susannah L.

 

vv) GRAHAM: I think there is some double-checking to be done on John L c: 2 Feb 1748. We need to bottom out the entry of 12 Feb 1748 that appears in the IGI, and whether there is a confusion with the burial on that date. My data is clear to me but the reason I think it is crucial to sort it out is because of the baptism of John the son of Thomas and Mary L "of Easton" on 2 Feb 1748 at Wootton Rivers. I have niggling doubts now in my mind about Old and New Style dates, and won't be satisfied until I've made another trip to Trowbridge. It would be very nice if there turned out to be two sons of Thomas and Mary named John, because this could explain the John L "of Wootton Rivers" who married Elizabeth HANCOCK at Burbage on 12 Oct 1777, and incidentally tie in lots more LOVELOCKs to the LIEFLOCK Line.
ROBERT: I put a note on this subject in Lovelocks_in_Wiltshire:
The IGI has a baptism of John Lovflok 12 Feb 1748 son of Thomas and Mary. Only the burial for this date was located in the parish register.
I have Elizabeth Hancock married to John Lovelock s. Stephen L & Mary Elford plus children all born in Wootton Rivers. This is what Malcolm L. had I believe.

JAMES: I'm happy to leave the John L (son of Thomas L and Mary Wilmaut) bap 2 Feb 1748 Wootton Rivers, bur 12 Feb 1748 Easton Royal , since the bap. record does state that the parents are "of Easton".
I'm also happy to identify the John L who married Elizabeth Hancock 12 Oct 1777, Burbage, as the son of Stephen L and Mary Elford, bap Easton Royal 9 Sep 1753.
Where I have a problem is in assigning the children of John L and Elizabeth Hancock, which Robert refers to as "plus children all born in Wootton Rivers". The problem is that there is another couple John L and Elizabeth Bromham mar Wootton Rivers 6 May 1765. I had previously assigned all sons and daughters of John & Elizabeth Lovelock to this latter couple. So how do we share out the children between these two couples? The relevant list of baptisms is as follows:

1778 Jun 24(?) Eliz Lovelock d. of John & Eliz Bapt (LDS Vital Records British Isles has Jun 19)
1780 Dec 31 Mary Lovelock Daughter of John & Elizth Bapt
1783 July 27 Ann Lovelock Dr of John & Eliz Bap
1786 Feb 26 Sarah Lovelock Dr of John & Eliz Bapt
1788 Aug 31 John Lovelock Son of John & Eliz Bap
1791 Jan 2 Wm Son of John & Eliz Lovelock Bap
1793 Aug 25 Thomas Son of John & Eliz Lovelock
1797 Nov 5 James Son of John & Elizabeth Lovelock

 

Graham has persuaded me that, in view of the fact that the first of these children was born 7 months after the marriage of John L and Elizabeth Hancock, and 13 years after the marriage of John L. and Elizabeth Bromham, the assignment to John L and Elizabeth Hancock is more likely. Also, the John L who married Elizabeth Bromham would have been age 57 at the birth of the last of these children (James).

Also entered the burial of Elizabeth Hancock found in the "Lovelocks in Wiltshire" file.

 

ww) GRAHAM: John L c: 21 Aug 1723 was bur: 13 Nov 1799 at Milton Lilbourne.
ROBERT: Do we have a source for this please?

GRAHAM’s response: The PR has “sen” (for senior) in the entry, which led me to believe it was the burial of the John c 1723. The detail of the entry itself is confirmed by the Wilts FHS published transcript.

JAMES: The problem is that there is also a burial of a John L 29 Dec 1779 Easton Royal. However, we do have the last 4 children of John L and Ann Giles bap Milton Lilbourne, so I suppose it makes sense that John was bur Milton Lilbourne. But then, who was the John L bur 29 Dec 1779 Easton Royal?

Correspondence with Graham - agreed that this is likely to be John L bap 25 Dec 1739 Easton Royal, son of Richard L & Elizabeth Pyke. Entered as such.

 

xx) GRAHAM: Elizabeth HOOPER was bur: 1 Jul 1831 at GB.
ROBERT: Agreed.

JAMES: Entered, source attribution Great Bedwyn PR

(NB: There is a typo in the Lovelocks in Wiltshire file - the entry reads:
1831 Jul 1 Elizabeth Lovelock wife of William William, Aged 34
instead of William Lovelock)

 

yy) GRAHAM: Sarah daughter of Elizabeth above m: Samuel WAITE 17 Oct 1838 at Buttermere.
ROBERT: This marriage was supplied by Graham. Was there any more of the marriage entry than shown in Lovelocks_in_Wiltshire to establish this connection? Otherwise it would seem fairly tenuous although possibly quite correct.

GRAHAM’s response: I worked this one out from a combination of sources: the 1841 Buttermere Census Return records a household consisting of Samuel Waite, 20, Head, Sarah Waite, 20, Wife, John Lovelock, 4, together with a Thomas Foggins (Vockins in fact) and a James Woods. [Thomas eventually married James’ sister Maria, and they are one pair of my great-grandparents.] The GB Baptism Register records on 11 Dec 1836 the baptism of John, the illegitimate son of Sarah Lovelock. The 1851 Buttermere Census Return records Sarah’s place of birth as Bedwin.

JAMES: I had already entered the mar of Elizabeth to Samuel Waite. I had independent confirmation of the marriage of Sarah to Samuel Waite from Paul Griffin (email correspondence 28 Apr 2002). Paul also supplied details of birth of dau Harriet Waite 25 Oct 1846, Buttermere, who later married 3 times - Paul's interest is in the first marriage to Henry Latimer 22 Jul 1865, Buttermere.

 

zz) GRAHAM:John son of Sarah above had a sp: Hannah UNKNOWN, and d: 21 Apr 1928 at Inkpen, Berks. They had seven children: George b: Abt 1866, d: 27 Feb 1945 sp: Ellen UNKNOWN child George - no details, Sarah b: Abt 1868, Ellen b: Abt 1871, d: 3 Jun 1946, John b: Abt 1873, Thomas b: Abt 1876, d: 29 Aug 1952, Eliza b: Abt 1880, and Kate b: Abt 1883, d: 8 Aug 1962. All events were at Inkpen.
ROBERT: Depends on yy) above

GRAHAM’s response: The 1871 Census Return for Inkpen was used here, as well as information from Wills in respect of those for whom dates of death are quoted. The George for whom I have no details is mentioned in a Will. The other dates are all based on Census Returns, supported by GRO Index entries for George in the 1st ¼ of 1866, Sarah in the 2nd ¼ of 1868, John in the 3rd ¼ of 1873, Thomas in the 3rd ¼ of 1876, Eliza in the 4th ¼ of 1880, and Kate in the 2nd ¼ of 1883. All births were in the Hungerford RD. I have no corresponding entry for Ellen, and probably missed it as the 1871 Return gives her place of birth as Inkpen, as for all her siblings, and she was stated as being one month old. Curiously, the GRO Index does have the birth of an Ellen in the Hungerford RD for the 3rd ¼ of 1869.

JAMES: Entered as documented by Graham. I also found this family at Inkpen in the 1881 census (including Ellen), and Robert Sterry appears to have found the baptisms of the children in the (LDS British Isles Vital Records 2nd Edition: FHL Film 1041182) - see the Lovelocks in Berkshire file. I've added these baptism records.

 

aaa) GRAHAM: John L c: 9 Apr 1819 was bur: 12 Mar 1822 at GB.
ROBERT: Agreed 

JAMES: Entered, source GB PR (states age 2 at death)

 

bbb) GRAHAM: Thomas brother of John above probably bur: 18 Feb 1869 although his age is quoted in the Burial Register as 47.
ROBERT: Agreed 

JAMES: Entered

 

ccc) GRAHAM: The spouse of Susannah Ann daughter of Thomas above was James FRENCH
ROBERT: Do we have a source for this please?

GRAHAM’s response: Trying to track this down.

JAMES: Entered, source attribution 1881 census. Graham pointed out in email 11 Feb 2003 that this couple appear in the 1881 census at Gt. Bedwyn, together with Susannah Ann's sister Elizabeth. I also entered their marriage 25 Dec 1871, Gt Bedwyn, which is now in the "Lovelocks in Wiltshire" file (source: LDS Vital Records).

 

ddd) GRAHAM: James L c: 15 Jan 1826 was bur: 14 May 1897 at GB.
ROBERT: Agreed. 

JAMES: Entered, source Gt Bedwyn PR (provided by Malcolm L)

 

eee) GRAHAM: Honor GIGG's Mother's christian name was Elizabeth.
ROBERT: Do we have a source for this please?

GRAHAM’s response: The 1851 Census Return for Great Bedwin records in Farm Lane: Elizabeth Gigg, 66, Head, James Lovelock, 25, Son-in-Law, Honor Lovelock, 24, Daughter, Elizabeth Lovelock, 4, Grand-daughter, and Charles Lovelock, 2, Grand-son. 

JAMES: Entered, source 1851 census record provided by Graham L.

 

fff) GRAHAM: Charles the son of James L and Honor GIGG was bur:27 Dec 1923 at GB.
ROBERT: Agreed
GRAHAM: Sp was Sarah Ann UNKNOWN. They had five children: Walter John Edward c: 15 Jun 1873 at GB,
ROBERT: Agreed except entry reads: 1873 Jul 23 (born 15 Jun 1873) Walter John Edward LOVELOCK Father: Charles LOVELOCK Mother: Sarah Ann
GRAHAM: Elizabeth Ellen c: 24 Jun 1875 bur: 27 Jun 1875 both at GB,
ROBERT: Agreed except the entry I have reads: 1875 Jun 28 Elizabeth Ellen Lovelock Aged 1 day
GRAHAM: Charles Henry b: Abt 1882 at GB, Frederick Albert b: Abt 1885 at GB d: 8 Aug 1915 in Belgium sp: Charlotte A UNKNOWN, and Ernest William b: Abt 1888 at GB.
ROBERT: I searched for sources on these and came across:
1919 Jun 15 Reginald Ernest Henry son of Charles Henry and Mable Gertrude Lovelock (father in RAF)
in Great Bedwyn.
1913 Jun 1 Mildred daughter of Ernest William and Edith Lovelock of Swindon in Great Bedwyn
What was your source please Graham on these approximate births. I assume from a census.

GRAHAM’s response: Yes – see my response at e) above. 

JAMES: Entered all records, with sources as specified here and in (e) above. Also entered the two baptisms noted by Robert - Reginald Ernest Henry son of Charles Henry and Mable Gertrude L, and Mildred daughter of Ernest William and Edith Lovelock.

 

ggg) GRAHAM: William John L brother of Charles above sp: Flora UNKNOWN had four children: Frederick William b: Abt 1879, Walter James b: Abt 1880, Flora b: Abt 1884 and Kate b: Abt 1887, all at Hungerford.
ROBERT: Source please?

GRAHAM’s response: The 1891 Census Return for Hungerford, when the whole family are recorded at a dwelling in the High Street, and the 1881 Census Returns when the family were all apparently in the High Street in Hungerford, but Flora and the two sons were also recorded at her Father-in-Law’s house in Farm Lane, GB !! 

JAMES: Entered the children as specified by Graham, source 1881 and 1891 censuses. Also entered the marriage at Hungerford, Berks. of William John L to Flora Stagg, 25 Dec 1877, found in the "Lovelocks in Berkshire" file.

 

hhh) GRAHAM: Richard L brother of William John above was Richard Henry L. Sp: Sarah Frances MEADHAM. They had six children: William John c: 16 Feb 1886 at GB bur: 3 Mar 1886 at GB, Thomas Henry c: 26 Jan 1887 at GB bur: 10 Mar 1887 at GB, Francis Henry c: 7 Dec 1889 at GB bur 10 Mar 1890 at GB, Rose Winifred Bertha c: 3 Sep 1891 at GB bur: 23 Jan 1892 at GB, Oliver Richard c: 28 Nov 1893 at GB m: Sep ¼ 1919 Rhoda Mary UNKNOWN children William Oliver Edgar Richard c: 19 Sep 1920 at EG and Joyce Mary c: 29 Mar 1925 at EG (born at Wexcombe), Edgar Henry b: Abt 1897 at Bedwyn Common c: 14 Jan 1898 at Savernake m: Sep ¼ 1923 sp: UNKNOWN.
ROBERT: Great stuff. Depends on fff) above

JAMES: Entered, with some minor changes from comparing with data in "Lovelocks in Wiltshire" file (e.g some bap dates were actually birth dates etc.)

 

iii) GRAHAM: Frederick Thomas L c: 5 Sep 1884 and Charles James L c: 5 Aug 1887 are incorrectly entered as the sons of Richard Henry above and are actually the sons, already recorded, of Richard L and Millicent FRIBBENCE.
ROBERT: Sorry. Can't follow this one at all. Richard L and Millicent Fribbence were married in 1833!!?? I don't have this baptisms recorded anywhere??

GRAHAM’s response: Sorry for causing confusion here. What I was trying to say was that Richard Henry L and wife Sarah Frances did not, so far as I am aware, have sons Frederick Thomas and Charles James. However, I have got my Richard’s mixed up here, and you have rightly pointed out the nonsense of my assertion. What I should have suggested was that they were the sons of Richard L and Jane (nee WYLE), that Richard being the son of Richard L and Millicent FRIBBENCE.

JAMES: Corrected. Frederick Thomas L c: 5 Sep 1884 and Charles James L c: 5 Aug 1887 had indeed been entered as children of both Richard Henry L (bap 9 Oct 1857 GB) and of Richard L (son of Richard L and Millicent Fribbence) and Jane Wyle. I also exchanged messages with Graham about the fact that some of the baptismal records have the mother's name as Mary, instead of Jane. Graham convinced me (using mainly 1891 and 1901 census records) that these are errors in the PRs.

 

jjj) GRAHAM: Jane L b: 21 Sep 1859 was actually Sarah Jane.
ROBERT: Do we have a source for this please?

GRAHAM’s response: To be truthful, this is based solely on the 1861 Census Return where, at 1 year old, she is identified as “Sarah J”. In the GRO Index the only corresponding birth is for a Jane, she was Jane in the 1871 Census Return, and when married in 1880 was simply recorded as Jane. Perhaps after all the 1861 entry was an aberration on the part of her parents. 

JAMES: She was also plain Jane in the 1881 census, when the family was living at Bedminster, Somerset. I propose that we leave her as Jane L. I also entered son Arthur C Berryman recorded in the 1881 census 4 months old.

 

kkk) GRAHAM: John L c: 4 Jun 1862 was bur: 30 Mar 1904 at GB.
ROBERT: Agreed
GRAHAM: I have attached data on his descendants in a separate File ("John&Sarah"). You will wish to note that his grandchildren and later generations are all still alive.
ROBERT: Entered with thanks. I've put Graham L. as "source".

JAMES: Entered bur. of John L, source Gt Bedwyn PR and details of descendants from file "John&Sarah", source Graham Lovelock.

 

lll) GRAHAM: George L b: 21 Jul 1864 and Sarah Ann GRACE had six children: Elsie Grace b: Abt 1890 at GB m: 3 Jul 1909 at Wilcot Frederick LEE; Lily b: Abt 1891; Frederick Charles b: Abt 1893 m: 1 Aug 1917 at Wilcot Elizabeth Rose BRISTOW and d: 1979 with two children: Bertrand C b: Abt 1920 m: 1941 Anna E MCGIVERN d: 1944 in Italy with daughter still living, and Isabel Rose b: Abt 1924 m: 8 Mar 1945 at Wilcot Ezra Green TRUMP; Walter George b: Abt 1895 d: 27 May 1918 in France; Henry James Grace b: Abt 1897 m: 13 May 1911 at Wilcot Fanny WILTSHIRE; Frances Ellen b: Abt 1901 m: 28Jul 1923 at Wilcot Charles WILTSHIRE d: 1969.
ROBERT: I didn't have Elsie or Henry James Grace (Grace is most unusual!). Do we have a source for these please Graham? Malcolm L has Walter George L. dying in Dardenelles, Turkey not France.

GRAHAM’s response:  A bit to add here: the GRO Index records the birth of an Elsie in the Hungerford RD in the 4th ¼ of 1889. The 1891 Census Return records Elsie, aged 1, with her parents and Uncle James in the household of her Grandfather James L at 79 Brown’s Lane, GB. All were recorded as having been born in GB. The Wilcot Marriage Register has “Frederick Lee 22 married Elsie Grace Lovelock 20, Fathers Matthew and George”. The Wilcot Marriage Register also has “Henry James Grace Lovelock 24 married Fanny Wiltshire 21, Fathers George and Charles”, from which I have deduced HJGL’s birth: I do not have a GRO entry to match it to. With respect to Walter George L’s place of death, my information was taken from the Commonwealth War Graves Commission Website. 

JAMES: Entered these children and spouses where appropriate, source Graham, with family note containing Graham's details concerning sources. Also included note on fact that Malcolm L has Walter George L. dying in Dardenelles, Turkey not France.

 

mmm) GRAHAM: Alfred James L b: 5 Aug 1866 m: 1891 Esther UNKNOWN and had four children: Emily Maud Marie c: 29 Apr 1894, Beatrice Lilian c: 2 Jul 1896, Victor Hamil c: 18 Sep 1903, and Muriel Olive c: 17 Jan 1906 all at GB.
ROBERT: Agreed

JAMES: Entered wife Esther Unknown and children as described above, source Graham L and LDS Vital Records 2nd ed. (see Lovelocks in Wilts. file). Entered first child as Elsie Emily Marie (cf. entry in Lovelocks in Wilts. file)

 

nnn) GRAHAM: Ellen Maria L c: 13 Oct 1869 had an illegitimate son Leonard Stephen b: 13 Dec 1886 at GB, c: 2 Feb 1887 at GB.
ROBERT: Can't seem to locate Ellen Maria L. Who are her parents please?

GRAHAM’s response: Ellen Maria was the daughter of James L and Honor (nee GIGG). She was with her parents, 6 siblings and a cousin at 12 Farm Lane, GB aged 1, born in GB in the 1871 Census Return, still in Farm Lane in 1881, and the birth of an Ellen is in the GRO Index for the 3rd ¼ of 1869. I have her birth date at GB recorded as 26 May 1869, which agrees with the Lovelocks_in_Wiltshire data.

JAMES: I had already entered Ellen Maria bap 13 Oct 1869, sources GB PR and LDS Vital Records. Added the notes from Graham concerning census returns. Entered her illegitimate son Leonard Stephen with details as above, source Graham and GB PR.

 

ooo) GRAHAM: For Thomas L c: 30 May 1790 I have 30 April, and he was bur: 20 Dec 1849 at Wootton Rivers.
ROBERT: My source is PRs from LDS Film 1279365. If your source is the same, we will need to recheck the registers to see which is correct. Presumably one of us made a copying mistake? I know the age for the burial is correct, but I feel attributing this burial of Thomas L. to Thomas bp 1790 is a little tenuous.

GRAHAM’s response: A mistake? Bet it was me! With respect to the Thomas buried on 20 Dec 1849, I did not find any trace of him in the 1841 Census Return. Did anyone else?

JAMES: Did not enter since there seems to be some uncertainty on bap. dates and identification of the burial.

 

ppp) GRAHAM: For James L c: 24 Feb 1793 at Milton Lilbourne I have attached a File with more data ("James&Hannah").
ROBERT: Excellent additional material to this line. I assume Graham has more Pewsey events which he or someone has extracted from the parish register than I currently have showing on Lovelocks_in_Wiltshire. Any additional material most welcome!

I had a couple of queries re this material:
*I believe some of the Pewsey deaths may be burials
*I could not find the reference for the note: "Mary A. * was born in 1836 in Bristol. She died 30 Sep 1916 in Pewsey, Wilts ..."

GRAHAM’s response: I sent a File with data I extracted from the PRs to James and assumed he had sent it on. If so, I have no more to add. You are right about the deaths being burials: a “feature” of the software  I have used to store most of the data, I am afraid. If I have a date of death as well it would normally be recorded in a note, which the data transformation process usually does capture. Mary A’s place of birth is quoted in the 1891 Census Return for Pewsey, where her age is given as 55. I agree that this is at odds with her age at death being given in the Burial Register as 88, and perhaps I have misread 80 as 88. 

JAMES: Entered the data from the "James&Hannah" file, apart from some 2nd & 3rd generation non-Lovelocks, source Graham Lovelock or PR whenever I found them in the "Lovelocks in Wiltshire" file. Changed death dates to burial dates where indicated in "Lovelocks in Wiltshire" file.

Also entered the marriage of James Lovelock (b. abt Dec 1839, son of James L above) to Elizabeth Maslen, their dau. Martha 1865-1931) and continuation of this line, as provided by Maureen Louise Gaffey, a descendant of this line.

qqq) GRAHAM: For Mary L c: 14 Oct 1804 I have 14 Dec.
ROBERT: Same comment as for burial entry in ooo) above.

JAMES: Not entered since there seems to be some uncertainty on bap. date